Ghum Hai Kisi Ke Pyaar Mein 25th December 2022 Written Episode, Written Update on TellyUpdates.com
Swapnil and Niyati inform Virat about their past bus accident when they were traveling from Nagpur to Gadchiroli. Niyati says she cannot forget the cries of small children and women from the bus. Swapnil says especially a woman who was carrying her 1-3-month-old baby. Virat doubts it must be Sai and Vinayak and asks what happened to them. Vinu plays hide and seek with Savi and loses when Pakhi video calls him. Sai dances after catching him. Vinu tells Pakhi that he lost his game to Savi because of her. Pakhi asks what is he doing with Savi at this time. Vinu informs that Sai brought them to Lonavala. Pakhi asks why didn’t he inform him about his trip. Vinu says even she didn’t and Bhavani warned him not to call her. Sai walks in. Vinu gives phone to her and goes to play again.
Sai asks Pakhi how is she now. Pakhi say sshe is fine and shows her decorated honeymoon suite. She thanks Sai and says if she had not saved her, she wouldn’t have lived beautiful moments with Virat, Virat is taking good care of her, she is very happy as a wife. Sai says she is happy for her. Pakhi thanks her for taking care of Vinu. Sai says they are enjoying a lot. She feels dejected. Niyati tells Virat that they had kept that woman’s baby with them for long. Virat thinks if they are talking about Sai and Vinu, Vinu is alive then. Pakhi walks in and asks Virat if he found out about Vinu. Virat asks what. Pakhi says Vinu went to picnic with Sai. Virat stands upset. Swapnil and Niyati walk away. Pakhi asks Virat to relax as Vinu is enjoying picnic with Pakhhi and Savi.
Sai with kids attends resort’s live comedy show but doesn’t enjoy the jokes. Vinu asks if she didn’t like the show. Sai says she is enjoying. Savi asks if she is crying. Sai says no and decides to go on stage. Everyone clap for her. She gets a chit to talk about marriage. She jokes on marriage and makes everyone laugh. She sarcastically talks about her broken marriage and Pakhi’s suspicious behavior.
Precap: Virat investigates past accident files and learns that Vinu is his and Sai’s biological son. Pakhi’s doctor informs him that Pakhi cannot conceive. Sai asks Virat if he found any clue from the hospital records.
Update Credit to: MA
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A criminal in disguise is an excellent IPS agent. Lies prevail. Questions about Sayi’s married life are gradually appearing in the minds of Savi and Vinayak. Hoping for a big explosion, the old Sayi will return and sweep the CN house’s trash to get back what belongs to her. Vinayak and Savi will always support their mother Sayi and leave the CN cave, the CN bastards will cry blood to death.
Happy Merry Christmas to one special retarded 🐀 I hope Krampus stuffs him in a sack and takes him away to be eaten by all the other grinches and Lusty Bhabie gets a lump of coal 😂😂😂
I need to wake up and do so many things but I am lazy 😭😭😭
To everyone I hope you have a fantastic day and don’t feel bad about that extra slice of cake you can work twice as hard in January
🍰 🤣😂…
🤣🤣🤣Adore you Jade!
What ever it is,
I feel bad for Pakhi
She never get love in her life neither samrat nor Virat
When ever she is going to get it she lost
And now she even can’t get children love
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Pakhi is responsible for everything that has happened to her and is happening to her. She took Samrat’s love for granted. She was busy planning and plotting against Sayi. She was obsessed with Virat, knowing he was Sayi’s husband. She took away everything from Sayi. She is a selfish character who likes to play victim. Sayi is the one who has actually suffered. Sayi has always been misunderstood. She kept telling Virat about Pakhi’s real intention but he never believed her. Now Kaku understands Pakhi’s insecurity. But, she always tried to make Sayi look like a villain because of feeling insecure due to Pakhi. Yeah, Virat made a promise to Pakhi. But, he got married to Sayi and Pakhi got married to Samrat. If she didn’t have feelings for Samrat then she should have left him and tried to accept the fact she can’t get Virat’s love now. I don’t have any sympathy for her.
But she succeeded in getting virat love and that has spoiled whole story
But she ddnt get any virat love? She’s with virat but not get any love
Merry christmas everybody hope all of you have lovely days about today episiode i was happy to see sai savi an vinyak enjoying themselves it was ugly of pakhi to show sai her decorated romantic bedroom she only did it to Hurt sai because she knows sai still loves virat i am happy to know sai and vinyak accident will be investigated all over again but i hate virat that he will keep sai in the dark about the fact vinu is still alive lives with him and pakhi but is het son so again sai has to suffer and that is injustice i hope a good serious person will come in het life support her alone and will help her get her son back
So true Parki makes everything about her Sai is the one that has suffered as to why the writers keep Parki happy and throw Sai under the bus all the time ….is Parki paying or in love with one of the writers
@Anonymous 23 That IPS traitor deserves a psychopathic wife, a robber, robbing Sayi’ husband, robbing children, pretending to live together very well.
@Lin : The sinful love of two sinful people. They will have to live the rest of their lives in misery, the price to pay for traitors, hypocrites, sinners to Sayi and her 2 children.
She will never get love the moment sai news broke she can’t concieve it was celebration for her and plotting against sayi whatever bad she wishing to sai come back to her
Merry Christmas, everyone🎄💫💖!
@Siya, @Jade, @Vaijyanthi, @Suseme, @Nadine and all the other friends here :)…
I wish a lot of joy, health, togetherness and peace for all of us🙏!
And merry Christmas @MA ✨! Your updates warned⚠️ n saved😄 us from a lot of stress and heartache 😮💨😅… Not only in this awful show, but also in other ones that keep getting worse every day… Thanks to you we are able to meet here n discuss , without having to torment ourselves and watch the epis… I admire your work ethic. God bless you:)!
@Lin we will only watch when sai goes back to what she used to be before ,and fight for her children .when Sherni mode is activated we know that it’s going to be amazing to watch 💃🏽
@Nadine, the truth is,I’m so tired of this Sherni mode being activated every now and again😩😩 once Sai finds out Vinu is her son. She should just take him and savi away from retard Chavans and never look back! No need to fight with anyone. It’s truly exhausting. Just get them and go. Virus and his barren despo can eat shit from then on in that house of horrors
@Lin Merry Christmas 🎄
@Lin
Merry Christmas to you too Lin🎄🎅
Exactly! Merry Christmas to you too dear author, MA. Thank you for saving us from the torture of seeing this show but inturn getting tortured to provide us updates😢
Thank you @Linny dear. Same wishes to you too❤️
Merry Christmas 🎄🎄🎄🎅🏻🎅🏻🎅🏻🤶🏻🤶🏻
I’m glad Sai took the kids to a resort ,they deserve it !!!the mother of thee year lusty never took her child anywhere in his life 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️But she has sacrificed a lot so they say !.amd the useless Ips I have no words for ,I mean like fool you should’ve investigated the bus accident thoroughly .
I don’t think the lusty creature will get her consummation now that 🐀 mind in occupied with sai and vinu ..it’s good because she just annoyed sai with her decorated room with joined beds 🚮🚮
If 🐀 hides the truth in anyway ,take him to court along with vampires. Open old cases and you will win sole custody of both kids ,I’m glad she’s venting out her anger and frustration.by so doing she will be able to think with a clear mind
I’m just waiting for savi and vinu to know that sai is 🐀 first wife and both of them are really siblings ..I want lusty to loose everything including that useless 🐀 .we all know sai will take both kids and 🐀 will be running after her
@Nadine all I want is for 🐀 to find the family of the croc that was going to eat Lusty and offer himself up as christmas dinner. Sai suffered enough with him and his family, she needs to be free with her kids, maybe we’ll see her in a leap episode where Savi graduates from the academy and Vinu is a doc and they thank their mom Sai for all her sacrifices and hard work in bringing them up as a single mom – then the end.
Merry Christmas everyone🎄🥲 the makers of Sitara are high on something weirdos. Now yrkkh is gonna become another ghkkpm
@Suseme
IKR! They ruined our Christmas and New Year😰 I still can’t believe they actually killed Neil and our NeiRohi is over, humesha keliye. I still hope that precap is misleading and Neil will survive. I want my NeiRohi bro😭
@Jade, @Lin, @Nadine, @Muge, @Flower
We have Ghum part 2 coming soon on star plus because makers are planning to get Jija-Saali Abhimanyu and Aarohi married to each other in YRKKH🤦♀️🤢 Only difference is here we have devar-bhabhi who are lusty and there we’ll have Jija-Saali but I’m sure that lustiness won’t be oozing out there.
@Susme I’m disappointed with the current GHKKPM, lost interest to watch part 2
Happy Merry Christmas To everybody !
@Siya the Ekta curse continues… she started this evil disgusting trend. She set all these regressive trends.
There is no reason to kill Neil randomly just cause they want another separation and reunion track – this separation and reunion nonsense needs to stop. They want to keep Arohi as a villain it appears. What is the point is it because she is not a direct blood relation of the OG Akshara that she needs to be a villain cause Akshara is a villain in my eyes cause she’s dumb
I am enjoying Udaariyan because it currently doesn’t have 2 women behind 1 man like the rest of them. All of these serials have love triangles with MLs people wouldn’t look at twice except Harshad if he takes of his shirt and doesn’t open his mouth.
Anupama – Anuj is worth more than being a second class citizen to the Shahs and he should find someone worthy and leave Anupama to her Shah family, she likes the abuse from leela – she lives for it
All the Bhagya’s – the men are worthless brainless louts why is everyone fighting over them 🙄
This 💩 I don’t even want to see 🐀 face let alone read about it. I love how the use of a name for that Virus has been reduced to this 🐀
@Jade arohi has always been their main target to create dramas. If they make her totally positive how would they get trp. But she’s worth trps even if she’s positive, grey or negative
Ikr we should’ve watched it after celebrating😭 I hope neil is alive and that’s a mere dream
Even I won’t watch yrkkh if it becomes ghum part 2
@Jade
IKR! This Ektha ruined hew own shows and getting inspired from her the other PH are also ruining their shows, few months back they killed Abhimanyu’s sister Anisha for one separation, now Neil for other separation🤦♀️
Even if Aarohi is not directly related to OG Akshara, she’s still Kartik’s daughter who’s ML of Gen 2. She can atleast be a parallel lead because they anyways ruined Kairav’s story by killing Anisha.
And you’re soo true, Akshara is the actual villan, she always ruins things in the name of saving someone or acting mahaan, directly or indirectly she’s responsible for every mishap that happened starting from Sirat’s death to Neil’s death. She ruined the legacy of her grandmother Akshara Singhania.
“All of these serials have love triangles with MLs people wouldn’t look at twice except Harshad if he takes of his shirt and doesn’t open his mouth.”
Absolutely agree with this line. One side we have Pandya brothers who are chamchas to their bahbhi, other side we have Anuj who used to dance to his wife’s tunes but is changing now, here we have this 🐀 whose face we can’t even tolerate off-screen also. I don’t know if Neil got any fame by doing this show, but he for sure got a nickname- 🐀
Harshad is getting wasted in that crap, he deserves something better, I just want him to leave that show and find better opportunities for himself
@Siya,@Jade,@Akansha, @ Suseme, @Lin, @ Flower@Nadine basically to my online family Merry Christmas I hope you ah e received many gifts and your day is going fine.
@Siya I saw this coming Yeh rishta kya kehlata hai has takes Ghum’s storyline we aren’t surprised at all. I hope arohi denies to marry abhi and raises her child alone as a single mom as for akshu no hope. If I’m not mistaken the story will probably go like this akshu has lost the babies and may abhi will blame her and she will leave abhi only to find out she is still pregnant she will probably go back to tell abhi only to find him marrying arohi and she will go away with the babies. Leap. Abhi isn’t in a happy marriage with arohi and her baby or an accident scene and akshu is presumed dead while she is alive with her twins.
Did I just predict the story idk…..
@Muge merry merry Christmas
@Muge Merry Christmas even to you and yes i think unfortunately thats the crap of the story they will shove infront of us. Its so predictable at this point. What else can we expect from this disgusting writers?
@Muge
Wish you a very Merry Christmas Muge🎄🎅
I just hope it doesn’t turn out so, @Suseme, @Akansha and I literally fantasized NeiRohi from the starting of Gen 3, even before they became a couple. I really hope they don’t show Neil’s death and Abhi-Aarohi angle. I’m just hoping that precap is misleading and Neil should be completely fine, like no coma or no death. And about Akshu, I think she lost only one baby because one gestation sac was visible when she got her scan done today. I think first they’ll declare Neil as dead, Akshu hearing this feels guilty and leaves from there and meets with some accident, later doctors will declare that Neil is alive but slipped into coma, AKshu will be assumed dead, Abhi will become angry young man again and will be seen taking care of both Shivu and NeiRohi kid.
Merry Christmas @Muge🎄:)
@Lin did you notice how HIGHLY uncomfortable Virus is with Lusty?? She’s trying so hard to get the love she KNOWS DEEP DOWN in her gut that she will NEVER EVER get from him. It was maddening to witness her previously but now its just pitiable. She’s just like a witch. So dogged in trying to win a battle that was lost centuries makers know that SaiRat is the only lead pair that people liked and will always prefer over the supremely awful chudail bhabhi and Virus devar.
Does anyone likes pakhi here? Lustylekha or patralekha of yours?
She is beautiful plays role much better than anyone else in the show, she carries herself so well. Patralekha has given the best out of her role that everyone keeps talking about her, the story is made in such a way that we sympathize for Sai but she has not done justice to her character, only aggression she plays well rest remains in peace. Pakhi is acting like a great artist however show is toxic but not coz of her. And if she couldn’t forget Virat and loved him forever that was her character sometimes people can’t forget there 1st love and she was technically cheated by Virat and it was not easy to break the marriage last minute either . Just accepting truth was like a death to her character.
Even though Virat cheated pakhi ( as per your thought) she has no right to destroy Sai’s life and her child’s life . She is not a baby to think that she can live near to Virat while married to samrat.
@Pari we hate lustylekha. And sai did justice to her character. Pakhi doesn’t even have a character leave alone doing justice to it.
She wasn’t cheated. She married samrat and cheated him. Also she was living in her own delusion. Her expressions are pathetic same lusty expressions, same dialogues and a regressive mindset. We’ve liked some characters even when they’re in full vamp mode just because of their acting, class, determination and the way of showing emotions. I have never hated a character so much
@Pari that clingy lustful woman is not beautiful to me at all. The actress who plays sayi, she looks beautiful and cute even without makeup and with simple clothes. And that heart of hers is making her even more beautiful day by day inspite of whatever crap she has been put through. To be honest, that lusty woman did have a chance to improve her own marriage with samrat but she chose not to and she chose to ruin sayi’s life. You cannot excuse pakhi for her criminal actions. We all go through different hardships in life but all of us don’t turn into a maniac who’s out to destroy others right? So why should that woman be excused. Patralekha deserves an illfate. And sayi deserves better away from those lunatics. And yes sayi did justice to her character
@ Pari : She’s just a thief who stole Sayi’s husband and children from the beginning from now on, her marriage to that damn IPS guy is just a contract marriage to adopt Vinu, she said she made amends with her. Sayi and the CN family, so why didn’t she return Sayi’s family when Sayi returned, she’s a scammer, just like the CN family and the damn IPS
So you should steal children, commit fraud and dupe a good soul like Samrat cause you can’t forget your first love? PakRat are equally disgusting and should be left alone, homeless and childless with Bhavani having a stroke cause Sai took both children far away from the Chavans. Like I Sai all DespoLustyLekha deserves for Xmas is a lump of coal rubbed into her face while she’s paraded around town as a Devar lover, bacha chor and all round disgusting woman.
@Pari a.k.a Aishwarya, we know you’re the one dear because no one in their right mind will ever defend such a pitiable character but let’s pretend you’re actually “pari” ha?😂
So, in what way did Virat cheat Lusty? How can someone hinge their life on what was said to them years ago on a two day encounter? What witchcraft is that,that even after a man she met over a year ago,forbtwo days only,married and moved in life still has her following him like some lost, deranged/psycho puppy? What madness allows you, a MARRIED woman keep peeping into your DEVAR’S married life again and again and acting like the ultimate cockblocker?
If you’re not Aishwarya herself then don’t make yourself look silly by defending such a poorly written character and if you are Aishwarya, then please, quit this show na😩😩🙏🏽,its not helping your acting career at all. And take your husband along please because as we know, you can’t leave him alone on set with Aisha na, seeing as she light years hotter tab you. Much like your character Pakhi,you won’t be able to sleep well without knowing his every move😂😂
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Virat ko vinu ke accident ke bare mei sochkar bhi pakhi ki crimes yaad nahi aya kaisa baap hai. I don’t understand that all characters have partial amenisa??? They only remembered what they want. And how dare pakhi to tell all those nonsense to Sai. And why is Sai listening silently, she can throw many taunts for each dialogue of Virat and pakhi and also chavans. Then atleast show will be interesting.par kya kare kuch nahi hoga.
@Siya do you mean we have ghum part 2??
Who are the cast members and who will be playing which role ?😩😩
@Nadine
With Ghum part 2 what I meant is, even YRKKH story is going to turn out like this shit story line, the FL sister is married to ML brother, both FL and her sister are pregnant, and now in todays’ precap ML brother is shown as dead and FL suffered miscarriage. All this happened because FL and ML brother tried to fight with human traffickers without waiting for police and in process ML brother got severe injuries. So, now what happens next is everyone will blame FL and she leaves the house, there will be a leap for 6 or 7 years, and we can see ML married to his SIL taking care of his brother’s kid. SO, it is almost similar to Ghum storyline.
I found a thread check it’s quoted tweets😂 though I have no idea who’s the one in right
https://twitter.com/PannoKiDaastaan/status/1507717492101488640?t=Ws1OKuAxbKf8oHveJowNMw&s=19
@Suseme i havent watched udaariyan but i have seen comments before, where fateh was undeserving of tejo’s love so among him and virus no one is right😂😂😂😂😂they both can go to hell. And then comes anuj kapadia and ram kapoor you know i choose ram kapoor😍😍😍😍his character is so cute, emotional yet he also knows how to be practical unlike anuj who keeps doing cringe romance with his century old wife and thinking to solve problems with his meaningless poems😂😂😂i dont know who the next pair is so i cant say anything about them😂😂😂
@Suseme
My first preference would be Karan Shegill😍 of ZDMN, he was a brave commando who used to never think before sacrificing himself for the nation unlike this useless IPS😂 Next will onviously be Ram Kapoor, he acted dumb many times blindly believing his step mother but still he’s a gem and Nakuul gave total justice to that character. And about rest, I don’t know few of them and left over are useless for me😂 And about this 🐀 can we throw him out of list please😂 I won’t even give him last position😏
@Siya do you mean we have ghum part 2??
Who are the cast members and who will be playing which role ?😩😩🤧
@Jade I also want that ,but I don’t a leap just yet lusty haven’t suffered the way we all would want ,being infertile is not that big ,I want her to cry tears of blood for what she did to sai .
Yes I do want sai to be free from 🐀 and the vampires there ..
Them thanking sai for her selflessness and hardworking will be fulfilling ..I doubt that will be the end of this show though
@ Nadini I suspect the damn IPS guy is crying crocodile tears begging Sayi not to take Vinu away from him and his psychotic wife after Sayi learns the truth, he will use the excuse that his psychotic wife can’t give birth.
I cant even imagine… Like how can someone take a huge marriage decision just to stay near the guy she loves…and firstly if she really had loved him na then ..she would be happy seeing virat living life happily.. Rather then being sad n alone whole life….thats what is actual love to be happy see ur love happy…but here toh scene ulta hai… 🤣…
Going to current track.. I genuinely laughed like hell when i read pakhi showing her room… Hehh like.. Kiddish… See see i got the chocolate🤣🤣🤣
@Flower those are definitely crocodile tears ,and yes that useless IPs bustard will ask sai or force her to give his psychotic lusty wife vinu .and I really do not want sai to fall for his crocodile tears of his .she should fight for her son ,I mean she stayed years without vinu and she has been living in guilt because of what happened,and that useless bustard didn’t even try anything to look for his wife and son.
@Nadini I agree with you. Sayi will be strong . She should fight for custody of Vinu, because before leaving the CN house, Sayi gave the IPS bastard a choice between his current psycho wife or Sayi and Vinu, but he chose the psycho wife, So that, Sayi was forced to leave the CN house and had an accident. But because of his selfish, stupid nature, he did not try to find Sayi and Vinu, even after a while, he never asked how Sayi’s life was and never in memory of his biological son. He only has dirty thoughts, who is Savi’s daughter? Blindly jealous when he is with another woman. Then why let him keep Vinu.
@Siya soori like anupama,I misread your comment it was a very busy day .i was reading and typing while busy with family ..they should not copy Ghum because right on it’s garbage
@Flower this bastard 🐀made his bed and now he has to lie on it .though he raised their vinu still he doesn’t deserve him nor the whole CN vampires,sai really suffered we can’t stress that enough .sai should sit vinu down and tell him what kind of father he have ,and she should also tell him that savi is his own sister ..vinu will choose sai because lusty only wanted the beds to be joined and she got it ,she won’t care if vinu lives or go away ,now the problem will come when she comes to know she cannot give birth after uniting the beds 😂😂😂if lusty tries to fight for vinu ,Sai should reopen the case against her and put her and everyone standing in her way
Hi again! This morning I just stopped by to wish you all a Merry Christmas🎄… Now I was taking a look at the comments of the past few days… It’s kind of funny😃… Such a bad timing I have🥳🥴… While I was thinking that I’ll finally have a little more time next week, you guys are already planning to wander to other forums😅🤣😂… Well I’m glad you’re still hold the ground atleast tdy 🙌😄… But I can perfectly understand your exasperation… Have we already had the pity consummation 🙈🤮? Plz, don’t answer that 😣😫… I’m trying hard to avoid all recaps rn🫣. But they are all written so nicely bold and in 🟥🖍️🥳😫❗️And I can’t overlook the title of the update👀😬 either… if I want to click on the respective comment session….
Anyway I’m going to write a few belated replies to some of your cmts n replies from this week 🐢😄… It’s kind of a bad habit of me🙃, I only read cmts when I also have the time to write… sorry for that🙃… But I do respond most of times;)… for what is worth😜…
So see you guys later…
Now that I see the time⏰, it’s already night for most of you🥱💤… So better I come again tmrw. for old answers:)…
I’d rather write a few ones for this cmt session…
“See“ you in a bit😉😁…
@Shiny, Pakhi had Samrat’s love, but like @Anonymous 23 explained it very well, she didn’t value that. She practically kept mocking n soiling his true feelings for her, by going after his married brother… like a cheap nymphomaniac… Not for nothing do we call this immoral lowlife “Devar-lover”. Because she simply is! Not to mention what other crimes she committed against Sai…
As for her not being able to have children of her own, -like @Grace said, -she was celebrating after Say couldn’t conceive… Have you even watched this serial at all?
Why should evil people get love & happiness? Maybe I would have somehow tolerated it if she really regretted her actions and tried to find her happiness elsewhere. But that’s not the case, is it? Pakhi seems to want to rub her “marital bliss” in Sais face… Her sadistic traits and evil self is still there😒…
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@Flower, was your answer for me🤔? Anyway I wouldn’t call “Love” whatever Virus n Lusty now have🥴🤢…
And yes, I’d love to see how karma is finally coming after her…
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@Nadine, now that they brought Pakhi’s infertility into play, they could also use the track from “Kusum Dola” (Bengali original)🤔… Pakhi thinks she’s pregnant at some point, but turns out she has a tumor or smth… In that case, Sai has to save her again… sigh 😞…
@Jade, I so want to finally watch one show without love triangle🤯… That “Udaariyan” doesn’t sound bad… But I think it’s on Colors… Remember, I once said you, I don’t watch I chn-s w/o subtitles… I found Pandya Store interesting when the boys still were kids, but now they lost completely the plot, it’s ridiculous… I also kinda liked Banni chow, before they changed the plot completely😒…
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@Siya, did you say Anuj is changing now? Well, I hope for the better. I started to watch „Anupamaa“ because of him, and also stopped because of him. A year or so ago I think🤔… after his character kind of lost its charm… Do you remember the Christmas party? When he practically declared that he was worthless because he was adopted🙄? I mean wtf?
And abt YRKKH, I think it went in a similar way… Actually I’ve never watched that show but thought I’d give it a try when the third generation was introduced. After a few weeks I stopped again… I think it was after that idiotic alliance-mix-up or „misunderstanding“ between the 2 sisters… You know, Abhi almost married Arohi🙄… But what you’re saying now sounds even worse🤦♀️…
It’s like a classical case of a false message coming from a show… I think they see Ghum being #2nd all the time, and are probably trying to follow suit…
@Lin, watch the second gen, the first gen was a flaming mess…. As for this 💩 there needs to be another serials at the same time slot to give them competition. I see Imlie is somehow reaching #3 and Dharampatni is gaining traction so Fahman might knock this one back down the mountain