Choti Sardarni 10th December 2020 Written Episode, Written Update on TellyUpdates.com
Scene 1
Manav smiles at Aditi. Everyone is shocked. Aditi says if you don’t do that I will do something you might have never imagined. Harleen says sarab, before saying anything think about this family. Your decision will decide what will happen in Gill mansion. And your decision will change everything. Now it’s not only about Karan. It’s a lot more than that.
Now question is of Guddi’s happiness and our family. If we will all stay together to break apart. Sarab says how can you ask for my life Aditi? He’s my Karan. I can’t accept that condition at any cost. Aditi says if that’s your decision I will have to choose the other way. Sarab says you can do what you want but I won’t give you Karan, Aditi says no not for Karan. But for my right, I will go to court. Everyone is confused. Aditi takes of Meher and Sarab’s photo from wall. sarab says what are you trying to say? Aditi says people always called me Sarab’s sister. Did you notice anything in the photos? I always thought I am your younger sister. sarab says it has both our mothers. Aditi says this photo has bari maa and this photo has choti maa (sarab’s mom). Aditi says your dad married my mom before yours even if I am younger than you. See this. He married your mom on 4 oct 1981 and mine 1980. According to law, second marriage has no worth. As per that you two are illegal kids of our dad. Not me. Everything he owns is mine. I am the sole owner of all the wealth. Everyone is shocked. Aditi says if I want I can kick you all out right now.
Harleen slaps Aditi and says how dare you? You will kick us out of this house? Sarab says she’s our sister. Harleen says is this how sisters are? Aditi says I gave you a choice. Give Karan or get out. Manav says Aditi, what are you saying? How can you ask them to leave their house? Aditi says tell them to give your Karan. Meher says I won’t give my Karan to anyone. Harleen says neither will we leave this house. THis is our hosue. You can’t blackmail us. We will go to court. Sarab says she’s our sister. She has equal right on this house. Or even more than us now. Harleen says we were born her. We were brought up here, we won’t leave this house.
Sarab says we never put legal or illegal in between you and us. My sister said what was in her heart. I can give everything fo ryou. Manav says no. Sarab says you said what’s in your heart. I am glad you don’t have our Karan. If you had to differenciate between your own kid and Karan you would treat him the same way.
Scene 2
Inspector releases Kulwant and family. Kulwant says I will show you who I am. He says get out you all. Inspector says if I could I would keep you inside but you have connections with big people. Kulwant sees Pathak. Kulwant says this must be his new gmae. He can’t do our bail for now reason. Kulwant says I knew you would come for sure. Kulwant says I am sure you will ask for something in return. He says I am here to give something. He shows her written MNA written with her name. He says you will contest from our party and become MNA.
Sarab says I am leaving this house. You want this house right? I can give it to you. I am going with my family.
Kulwant’s family comes home. Yuvi says I have to go to see my dadi’s rally. Everyone is shocked. They go out. Kulwant is on jeep with Pathak. People are chanting for PKP. Amrita says how can she change the party like that? Kulwant says this is our new party. If you make us win, we will change the fate of Punjab. You all have to be with us. Bitu says what are you doing mummy ji? This Pathak blackmailed Meher and Sarab. Kulwant says how can I give up on my dream of becoming a minister? Sarab left Punjab Dal on his own. Now see what happens.
Scene 3
Sarab says to Meher our time in this house is over. Let’s go. Harleen says how can you make such a big decision? Sarab says our sister lived homeless all her life. If she got her right now, there’s nothing wrong with it. Let her take it all. Harleen says ask him to think Meher. Sarab says relationships are made from the heart not mind. Please ask him to rethink.
Episode ends.
Precap-HArleen says Meher think about our kids. Where would they go?
Update Credit to: Atiba
109 Comments
Atleast manav had enough sense to try to stop aditi..after the karwachauth episode first time he said or did something nice..
Radhika… Running with š
I knew it thats why I asked you to wait for next episode
Sarab pointed a finger at Aditi yet he is unable to see that there are three fingers pointing back at him. What he has for Karan isn’t love it has now turned into something else. He is ready to destroy other people’s lives to keep him with him. Meher’s stance is still understood as she is the mother but Sarab???
Seriously ginige…you find fault in sarabs actions today also??? Some strange analysis you have…if you have only read this update then inwont blame you( half the things arent written)..sarab clearly told that today she called sarab and harleen najayaz and claimed complete right on property..tomorrow when ahe has her own child with vikram wont she differentiate karan??? And he also said that because of karans custody issue they got to know what is in her mind..now stop blaming sarab for everything…he loves karan just as he loves param..and in anyworld a parent would choose their child over property..if you see the episode you will know that sarab is 100 percent right and if manav wants karan i would suggest him to first divorce aditi because she is a vicious devil and she may even kill karan once she gets pregnant…if you dont agree with this its absolutely fine..this is my view that rather than having a vicious stepmother its better the child lives with less luxury..by their hardwork both sarab and mehar will make sure that both param and karans future will become secure..and sarab has every right to point finger at aditi..till today everyone thought that aditi was the najaayaz child..but did sarab or harleen even once call her so?? She called them today…did they differentiate her in anyway?? No..but she did…even when harleen slapped aditi sarab said that aditi is their younger sister…they always said that she has equal rights in that house..but what did she say?? So please stop blaming sarab for every wrong thing occurring under the sky…and its comments like these of yours that makes me feel that somehow you support aditi
Radhika, try to see the bigger picture and forget about Aditi’s motives for a second. ADITI first put a very decent request. She wanted her husband’s child to live with them. It was Sarab who straight away rejected the request. Harleen too tried to make Sarab understand. IF Sarab felt that he could not give Karan fully, he should have offered joint custody to share the kid. But he did not do that. Thereafter, when he took the decision to leave the house he didn’t think of Harleen and her daughter. They have nothing to do with this. Why should they accept all this? He can decide for his own family but what is Harleen going to do now and how will see feed her daughter? She doesn’t have a job or male support system. At the end of the day Sarab has his own family to look after.
According to promo harleen is not leaving the house..and even if she is leaving then sarab will take care of her and khushi just like he will take care of mehar and his kids..he is not aditi..he considers his sibling as his family…not like aditi..and regarding joint custody..why cant aditi or manav suggest it?? Why is it only sarabs fault that no one thinks about joint custody?? I told already..you feel aditi is right..go right ahead and support her..but trust me people like her will never get a long lasting happiness in their lives..and neither do they deserve happiness…sarab didnt choose property over karan when karan was still in mehars womb..that too he went against harleen for karan..and today you think he would choose property over karan?? Never..and dont you think that if aditi can kick out her “BIOLOGICAL BROTHER ” ( half brother) out of the house for her husband then tomorrow she can kick out karan ( who is in no way related to her biologically) for the sake of her own child?? She can and she will…so in a way its good that all this happened and so we get to know the real aditi..
This is not about Karan or Manav anymore. They never had a chance and will never have any chance of living together. Poverty is not a joke. None of the Gill kids. Harleen’s daughter or Param have lived a under privileged life. They are use to luxuries. Sarab is okay to live any kind of life, but should Harleen accept it for her draughter? Aditi will never let Harleen be in the Gill mansion. So where will she go.
Yeah the gill kids are not used to it..true but the gill kids are loving and caring..they may find it difficult initially but they will cope later…and if aditi doesnt let harleen stay then its aditis fault…and yes poverty is not some joke..but even when someone is poor if they are surrounded by people who love them then life is a bliss…you think poor kids dont have fun?? They do..they have their own happiness… param is a small kid..it wont be difficult for him to adjust with his parents with him…and kushi is no longer shown in the show coz she is apparently at her dadis house..so chill
And also ginige regarding aditis decent request…let me give you an example..kulwant asked mehar to marry sarab and not manav..mehar didnt agree so kulwant called manav home ( by cheat) and later stabbed him..so now because kulwant had asked mehar initially not to marry manav is her action justified?? No right?? Sameway..aditi may have placed a decent request but later whatever she did is not something any sibling should ever do..so there is no big picture..as you claim
For get him they always putting blames in Sarab it nonsense every lady should pray to get a man like Sarab ungrateful people only sees fault in wat Sarab is doing
Okay, so if Harleen’s daughter is not going to suffer, I am fine with it. It is Sarab’s choice.
@Ginige. So you have clearly proven that you don’t care about Karan. Which means you want Manav to gain full custody only for his happiness and not for Karan’s betterment. You have clearly stated that everything is ok as long as Khushi and Harlene are ok. If you cared about Karan then what about him? I thought you cared about him and saw a bright future for him when he lives with Manav maybe that is why you wanted him to stay with Manav but actually I am now realising that all that was for the sake of Manav and not Karan. If you were a parent, you will actually be thinking of the betterment of the child and not the happiness of the parent and in this case because of Karan’s age, he is still dependent and needs his mother more than his father.
K. Khan, we all bring our own fate when we come to this world and in Karan’s fate his real father’s love is probably never written. As for why I wanted Karan. He would have actually got a way decent life and better upbringing with Manav. I am not writing this with the idea of having Aditi around HIM, what I said was possible only if Manav raise his son as a single dad. However, now there is no chance of that.
Now you are showing your hate towards Sarab Ginige, what so ever Sarab does, there you are complaining, he took the best diction for his family, with this step mam even more, as for Harleen even if she can’t stay at the mantion, she got education at Harvard no, so she better starts earning her money, doesn’t hurt her. She was always complaining that Robbie had no job isnt it? So when ever you think Manav’s right,to be in Karan life being prolongted you attract Sarab. Manav instead of following her should have asked her what she has in mind. That is his miscalculation, just because his lawyer told to be nice to her, doesn’t mean, he can’t ask her a thing.
I have no hatered for Sarab, why should I hate him.. It was just a worry that I had for Harleen and her daughter as they have been living in Gill mansion for their entire life. However, as Radhika said if Harleen’s child is living with her grandparents there is nothing to worry about Also, as you said Harleen can find a job to support herself.
You not seeing who is rite n who is wrong. You are no brainer. It’s very hard to find man like Sarab in the real world .so so so so understanding.
Ahan Ginige! You still think Sarab doesn’t love Karan? He gave up his career fame property and all for Karan. And you still think he doesn’t love Karan? Oh ya I see to you only blood relations matter right…dil se dil ka rishta doesn’t even exist according to you! Or will you believe in sarab’s love for Karan only when he will give up his life?
@Shruti, Giving up things doesn’t mean that you love someone.
“dil se dil ka rishta doesn’t even exist according to you!”
This is your perception.
Ronnie Sarah didnt destroy anything. Sorry. Thank God Manav didnt accepted. But Sarab didnt destroy lives. Patak, kulwant and Manav a little. But in this story Sarab and Manav need a happy ending.
Luz, whatever Sarab decides for his own family is his choice, but what has Harleen got to do with this. She and her daughter will suffer the most due to this decision.
Actually you must say pathak and kulwant has greatly destroyed others.
Don’t forget Robbie, harleen’s husband who doesn’t work but wants a luxurious life is also a big part of the family’s problem. Trying to steal from the family, killing meher and now joining pathak.
Well, if this was in real life, almost all relations would have been permanently ruined by now for sure, especially between Sarab personally and virtually all his relatives (and in laws too). In a drama, such rules don’t apply. Aditi’s character has been turned into a very negative role by the writers and even in this drama, her relationship with Sarab and especially Meher of course is perhaps beyond repair. Manav has been caught in a crossfire and there is little he can do. One hope’s this long running sorry saga will be brought to an end by the writers. Sarab, for his part, has proven to be very stubborn as far as Karan is concerned as he could have offered at least a custody sharing arrangement to Aditi/ Manav – neither Meher nor Manav have exclusive custody rights, at least morally. This sorry saga will only end if Aditi or Manav (or both) exit the show.
@AJ after todays episode i feel manav shouldn’t get the even partial custody as long as he is married to aditi..she may give that medicine which she wanted to give to param or may even kill the child..she has serious psychiatric issues…better to keep both karan and mehar away from her and her vicky..she is a very vicious lady and doesnt deserve karans custody..
Aditi is gonna end on the bad path and Manav maybe has salvation. Meher doesnt want give half coustody. Yes Manav has right but in any moment he can Turn Villian. He is playin with Fire. I am not agree with Ginnie but I respect your comment. You are Right AJ. Aditi or Manav has to go outvof the show because choti is losing the correct path. Aditi has serious phicology problems.
Aditi is so disgusting sister. Sometimes , I think Manav and Aditi are made each other. I hope Manav coudl hace salvation. But here the evil are Patak, robbie, aditi, kulwant. I hope Manav not but he is a man that everyone can manipulate. Gill family bright Aditi without see her past and with other woman ,I now blackmail everyone and her own family what disgusting. Manav is continuing un the bad path IT Will his destruction.
Gingie, with all due respect to you and your perspective, giving Karan to Manav in full is the most unrealistic expectation under the sky. It is unthinkable to take a child away from a mother and father who unconditionally love the child. I am not undermining Manav’s right on Karan, but there is a way of resolving this issue. Sarab has already given Manav this option. They could have a professional mediator to assist them in sorting out this complex issue. But, NO, Manav chose the most destructive ways to bring Karan into his life, and Aditi is not even in her stable mindset. She has not dealt with her hurt, and it is coming in her way. Aditi chose to be a victim, and if this the way she wants to live her life, so be it.
Pls, I don’t want Karan for Manav. I am so okay with him living wherever Sarab wants him to live. I was just worried about Harleen and her daughter only. I got to know from Radhika she is with her grandparents so there is nothing to worry now.
Owww. @Ginige. I thought you were the one who was so hurt and insisted of Mehrab giving Karan to Manav. How did you change so suddenly? You said Meher and Sarab are selfish and even tried to find faults in whatever they do in order to prove Manav as the best and a better parent to Karan than them.
Manav will always be a better parent than Sarab and Meher š. Change?? Well when you have bigger things to worry about you stop thinking of petty things. Manav isn’t man who will break because he lost his son’s custody. If the makers show something like that they will be doing most inconsistent thing for the character. So chill let’s enjoy the new track… š
Ginige. Its not Manav vs Sarab. Its Meher vs Manav. Or Sarab vs Aditi as a step parent. Here i feel Aditi will never keep Karan Happy as a step mother as she has always differentiated between legal and illegal child. On the other hand Sarab will give karan the unconditional love he deserves, he has already proved his love many times.
@Shruti, for me there is no comparison š. Karan can live with Meher and Sarab. I have no issue with that and I don’t want him with Manav.
Correction: Ginige
Grandpa Gill was a very heartless man…Gill father married Aditiās mom first…but still Grandpa Gill didnāt let her or her mother get their rightsš£…Despite being a legal wife she was treated like a mistress…her daughter was regarded as illegitimate child. This family has so many issues… even outranking Kardashian family in terms of drama š. Some serious help are required…characters are gone brain dead except Harleen who still displayed some sanity today…but who knows for how long š . Everyone just obsessed with Karan…as he if Param is neighbour kid….this small guy has gone & will go through so much because adults around him canāt act adult & solve conflicts peacefully like rest of the worldš. Harleen is much better…always thinking about her siblings & Param…she always put her family first even if family disappoints her in return.
I feel aditi is lying about the marriage dates…the dates are printed on it not written by some artist..that could be a forgery as well..harleen was right they should have gone to court and asked aditi to give the marriage certificate…because its so wierd that if sarabs dad loved aditis mom and married her first but later married someone else out of compulsion from family had 2 kids with her and then had a child with his first wife??? Really strange..atleast could agree if aditi was younger to harleen but elder to sarab..but she is younger to both sarab and harleen…there is some goofup in the story
May be aditi ke pehle jo bache hue wo survive nai karpae ya miscarriage hogaya ya kafi saal baad pregnancy dheri aditi ke mom ki. I wish ye log aditi aur manav ko negative na banate manav bacha kaise yahi nai samja muje ab tak.
I feel that too Rohdika, that was her original story (thought) for the case Sarab perhaps goes to prison, that she can snach the Manti on. Revange 2.0
i used to reading the wu only since a while but i think its the end of the show now what mr gill have decided because of his stubbornness both mr and mrs gill have lost it big time
I agree with sarab’s thinking today.
I also don’t want aditi to be karan’s mother nor should she be in manav’s life. Her obsession toward manav, one will definitely kill him. š
But still I think manav must have his right on Karan. I don’t have any issue with mehar if she is a mother then manav is also his father.
Just get join custody and remove aditi from manav’s life or give her some psychological treatment, she desperately needs it. š
Sarab has made at least one point today – given Aditi’s attitude to ‘blood relationships’ and ‘legal rights’, should she and Vikram take Karan and later on they have their own child, she would DEFINITELY discriminate between the children to the detriment of Karan for sure. In which case, as Sarab said, he is glad Karan is with Meher/ Sarab. But there is another issue here – Manav is still the natural father and he cannot be ignored and he has a custody (at least joint) right over the child, ireespective of Aditi’s behaviour. Sarab has FAILED to acknowledge Manav’s right’s as a father. Unless Manav forgoes his rights, and won’t, this matter will never end.
Then dont you think he should have told that today?? I mean to aditi..that “even if they choose karan i am not gonna relinquish my claim on karan”..he didnt say that..now its a deal done by his wife..even if he goes to the court aditis behaviour towards sarab and harleen saying jaayaz and najaayaz is gonna be a solid point against manav and aditi..which is why manav should divorce aditi if he still wants karan…manav aditi as a couple should never get karan neither 50 percent custody nor even for a single day..one day is enough for that devil to kill that kid..
Right today’s behavior of aditi ruined manav’s case.
I have never like her with him. I want him to have a happy ending and aditi’s obsession will always ruin his happiness. š
Donāt think sarab ever disputed manavās claim as the biological father, but to take the child away from his mother is unacceptable. Manav has acted to the detriment of Karan since he found out that he is the father. Sarab is only protecting the right of his wife and his family. for every action and decision that sarab has taken, they have all been due to the bad judgement of manav. People need to take a moment to question manavās behavior- itās selfish and unreasonable. If he had proposed to be allowed to be a significant part of karanās life, I donāt think meher and Sarab will object. But first he went crazy trying to get meher back and now he is behaving the same way with taking a baby away from its mother. Did he forget that the child is with meher- the same meher he claims to love? So maybe he just want to punish her and is in some way in denial of his true motive.
I agree manav should not separate a mother from his son but it was mehar who started this by keeping him in secret about Karan. Even after he came to know about his child she still denied the truth. So it’s not just manav but mehar’s fault as well.
And sarab is not just protecting mother’s right but also denying manav’s right. I guess you have forgotten you can search on YouTube and again watch the episode in which mehar told sarab about manav’s return. What was his first reaction.sarab says “KARAN SIRF MERA BETA HAI”
In this line I can’t find that he is giving any fatherly right to manav
@Rosh. Meher is not to be blamed here. Manav past actions made Meher try to hide the truth in order to protect her family. Manav was acting crazy after getting his memory beck. He kept on following Meher everywhere and telling him that they have a child together would have made the situation even worse. If Manav had acted maturely and accepted that Meher has moved on and has another life, then maybe she would have been in a position to tell him the truth. An example is when you decide to open up to your parents about something minor that you have done and they react negatively, you wouldn’t have the courage or you wouldn’t want to tell them anything else because it might make matters worse. Manav is to be blamed because due to his actions, even if I was Meher I wouldn’t have told him anything because I know he will continue creating even more problems in my life.
It has nothing to do with manav’s past actions. Mehar has declined all manav’s rights on Karan long before. Even when she did not even met vikram dewan.
I guess you are forgetting the mehar’s behavior while naming Karan.
At that time she did not even respect manav’s last wish.
Even at that time She kept on saying that Karan is sarab’s child. Manav ka Karan se koi Lena Dena nahi.
You can watch that episode again on YouTube.
I don’t have any problem with her to move on. But manav is karan’s father she could at least respect his last wish. And named the child without Creating scene.
@Rosh..at the time of naming ceremony she didnt know manav is alive…she had given all the rights of a father to sarab.. and she had moved on with sarab..she herself said that the old mehar is dead.. then how can you expect mehar to fulfill manavs wishes?? For eg: sarab loved his first wife too dearly and param is their biological son so do you think that today while deciding anything for param sarab is gonna care about mehars choice or his dead wifes choice???? Its simple..now mehar is the mother of param and so her choice will be valid..similarly during naming ceremony mehar didnt want to cheat sarab by naming their child according to the biological fathers wish..
It’s not about cheating, it’s about respecting last wish of child’s father.
She can just directly tells sarab the truth. In this way she can respect manav’s last wish and no cheating with sarab. And as far as I know sarab’s character he will not object it.
And yes right that mehar was dead but child is still alive.
Yeah sarab will not object to anything so why not anything what pleases..i know the child is still alive and so i asked about param..you have no answer??
It was just manav’s right on naming. It’s not like you are taking anything from sarab. Child’s father was brutally killed. But before dying he chooses a name. So I don’t know what is so wrong in respecting his last wish. It’s not like sarab didn’t like that name. He was agreeing to give child that name so what was the problem. If she named child without creating scene so it will be like child received blessing from both of his father.
What was so wrong in it.
And what param……???
I didn’t understand your meaning, have I missed something
@rosh i asked in the previous comment..sarab loved his first wife too dearly and param is their biological son so do you think that today while deciding anything for param sarab is gonna prefer mehars choice or his dead wifes choice??? And if their choices match he is gonna accept the choice as mehars choice or as simrans choice?? Obviously it would be mehars choice which will be preferable as she is params mom now..
My answer is sarab will definitely prefer mehar’s but he will not disrespect his previous wife’s wish while Creating a scene.
Yes I am not sure whether he will tell mehar that she has made same choice as his previous wife
Radhika: I agree with you on the “marriage dates” of Sarab’s father. Look’s like they were printed just yesterday, that is too obvious, but the marriages took place about 40 years ago. It may well be the case the writers have planned to expose this ‘flaw’ later, not that it should matter, and therefore expose Aditi or someone behind it. It seems to me that most observers in this forum agree that Manav deserves at least some custody rights (as opposed to none at all), even from so called ‘Sarab/Meher’ fan’s.
Manav deserves some right over karan agreed..but after todays episode he doesnt deserve it IF he stays married to aditi or even allows her anywhere near karan..SHE SHOULD BE OUT OF EVERYONES LIFE..SHE CAN KEEP THE PROPERTY AND BE HAPPY ALONE IN THAT BIG MANSION..THAT SHOULD BE DONE TO ADITI IF MANAV HAS ANY COMMON SENSE OR LOVE FOR KARAN LEFT WITH HIM
The marriage dates are definitely a goofup.. there is some gadbad..looking at the dates i feel so..even if the writers came up with the idea now.. they can use so many techniques that the print looks old…and the way harleen has already suggested not to believe aditi gives more chance for the possibility that aditi is just manipulating everyone…aditi has some definite plans..we will see what they are..
Radhika: You have ‘strong views’ on Aditi. Understandable, as she is very far from being a Goddess. As for Manav, he is a rather feeble (and sometimes pathetic) character, unable to put his foot down on anyone, let alone his domineering wife. Everyone has used Manav. Of course Manav should make the point, again and again, that he is the FATHER of a child born from a loving relationship with Meher – in fact so loud and clear, that Sarab hear’s it.
But Sarab knows that he even said for their lawyer when he suggested that karan was born from rape. So Sarab is not on denial, that Meher loved Manav
People seem to have forgotten the trauma that Meyer went through when her family attacked and got rid of manav! She did not happily choose to marry Sarab. She was drugged, kulwant attempted to abort her child, but she fought it. For a long time she lived with the grief of the loss of the man she loved but with the support of sarab and param, she accepted her fate and got a new beginning. What happened to manav was wrong and he too got a new beginning, however for him to demand that meher hands over Karan, is not only selfish but shows that his love for her is shallow and questionable! What if she had not found an understanding husband and society mistreated and ostracized her, what if kulwant had succeeded in aborting the child? Did he for one minute think of all her pain and grief? Yes Karan is his son, but meher is married now and that to a reasonable man. With a bit of common sense, manav should know that being married to aditi means that he will always be in karanās life and when the time is right with agreement from both parents they can disclose the truth to Karan – same as happens with adopted children, especially for medical reasons and family health history. Nt sure about the legality of taking a child from its mother just because he contributed in the child making process and then was declared dead, came back alive and now he has a right to take the child away? There are better and easier ways to resolve it. Manav is not a particularly bright bulb for a police officer- manipulated by every Tom dick and harrry. Aditi, on the other hand need psychiatric help. Sheās too unstable to be entrusted with the care of a dog let alone a child.
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I totally agree with you. One more thing, Manav has a right to be Karan’s father but he has no right of snatching him away from his biological mother.
@k.khan I would like to ask you who was the first person who tried to snatch child from other party
@ Rosh…answer is manav…because karan was already with mehar..so tye only person who can do any snatching is manav..he kidnapped karan first
@radhika
Well what about the jhoot “Karan is sarab’s child”
Please explain the meaning behind this line.
Meaning is karan is sarabs child..and he still is..and i know she didnt agree that manav is the biological father but that is not same as snatching…and also at that point she had just relaised that manav had tried to kill sarab just ao that he can get mehar and so initially she refused..but she accepted his paternity in the same episode..it was manav who gave dhamki to her even after she accepted
If Dhamaki is wrong or unethical then kise se us k bachey ki presence chupana bhi unethical hai.
These are two different things but are equally wrong
Edel: Point’s noted, but, although it would be selfish for Manav to demand that Meher hands over the child with full custody to him, what is so selfish about requesting that, as he is the father, he get’s some custody rights? Like weekends etc. By the same token, Meher is selfish for the same reason’s – if she insists on not giving any custody rights whatsoever to Manav. As for Sarab, most men in his shoes would stay out of the picture, as his ‘qualification’ is that he married Meher, who was already pregnant with someone else’s child. That ‘qualification’ alone does not give him the full right’s of a father, especially as he himself has now accepted the real father is Manav. This should be a matter between Manav and Meher only, in the main.
Sarab has equal rights on karan as mehar..may not be biologically but morally its a BIG YES..that child is alive only and only because of him…right from the day he got to know about mehars pregnancy he has only protected her and her child..be it before they decided to stay as a couple or after that..just to point out a difference between sarab and manav let me give an example..when the entire bombblast fiasco occured after the blast manav was only worried about karan…he wanted doctors to check on karan…he didnt have any concern that there was another kid in the house..whereas sarab in the intial days after his marriage to mehar though he knew their relation was at an end point always cared for her..when param was sick with chickenpox and doctor adviced pregnant woman to stay away sarab did all he could to keep mehar safe though she was adamant..having such a kind heart if manav had ever suggested joint custody maybe sarab would have agreed..but manav was always selfishly asking for complete custody…and sarab said that the child should be with the mother..
I appreciate your opinion we agreed to some extent, however we do differ in many ways, Sarab is not a bystander! He married meher unaware of her pregnancy, supported her in her request to leave the marriage and Reid to settle her independent life. At the end of the day, he accepted her baby as his without even knowing the father, he wholeheartedly played his part as the father. So he cannot be discounted. Yes manav has rights, but within reason and in consideration of the trauma himself and meher went through, he should be very wise on his approach.
Another thing, the day Sarab prevented Meher from aborting, Meher gave him full rights of being Karan’s father and making decisions for him. So as much as I remember, Sarab should be part of Karan’s life and custody case both as his father and husband to his mother. Husbands support their wives during tough times and after marriage both husband and wife become one. So as much as that apply, Sarab and Meher are one and any of them has a right to interfere as he matter concerns his wife. No one knew Manav was going to come back to life. So those attacking Meher right now, should she have waited for Manav to come back to life or? She had a choice and a right to move on in order to create a better and secure future for her son.
Radhika/ Edel: Sarab’s role as a loving husband and father, including to Karan, is not disputed by anyone. That role alone, and other things pointed out by other’s, together with the fact that he is Meher’s husband, does not give him superior right’s to the natural father if, as is the case, the natural father now wishes to play a genuine role in his child’s life and has a genuine love and desire to do so.
If Sarab did all these good things, and still does, on the understanding that the father was dead/ not known, he has to now revise his thinking now that the real father has come to light. Indeed, if Manav wanted to ‘annoy’ Sarab. he could very boldly and openly state that Karan was the result of his loving and romantic relationship with Meher. And say so with no shame at all. Not that this would make him popular with his wife.
Both Manav and Aditi don’t deserve to be karan’s parents.If Manav cared about karan he would have never thought about seperating a little toddler from his mother as he needs a mother’s care.Secondly,if he had common-sense he would have avoided every situation that will harm karan’s reputation.Manav never loved Meher the way Sarab loved her.He can never love her and karan like Sarab did.If Manav cared about Meher and Karan,he wouldn’t have done such foolish activities.Whatever he did will have a long term effect on both Meher and karan’s life and along with them poor Sarab and Param will also suffer.Now due to Manav’s selfishness karan will be called an illegitimate child his entire life and Meher had become a characterless woman infront of everyone.I think the only mistake Meher did in her life was loving Manav.Anyway she did right by choosing Sarab’s selfless love over Manav’s selfless love.I feel bad for MehRab and their kids.I hate Manav,Aditi and Kulwanth š
*Manav’s Selfish love
Parent’s love for their children is just their love. It can never be selfish.
Moreover even if makers won’t let him take him his son’s custody, but due to the bond previously shown between father and son, I am convinced Karan will recognize his father and also give him his right.
More over please stop discussing whether his love for mehar was true or not. I just know that he has already given his life for her. So I guess there is nothing left for discussion here.
But now he does not love her anymore. And that is good thing I mean he also has the right to move on. All rights doesn’t only belong to mehar.
@Rosh..manavs love is something which is questionable with manavs recent behaviour…i mean he knows to act very goody goody to get his needs done..for eg: he didnt want a life with aditi when he got his memory back but he told aditi that he didnt want to loose her and so he hid that he was manav sharma..which are actually contradicting statements.. but suits his need to get aditis support for karans custody..basically his statements and actions keeps changing according to his needs..only he knows what was in his mind when he loved mehar..or if he even loved her..(as per the show manav truly loved mehar)..but his actions post realization of karans paternity kind of forces atleast some to rethink if his love was pure.. true that his life was taken for loving mehar but he even used that to emotionally blackmail mehar to elope with him..so manav is a man who has his needs as his goal and all his words and actions are to reach that goal..
@Radhika, from where do you get all these ideasšš.Once upon a time Meher and Manav were in a relationship and it resulted in a pregnancy. Whatever happened between them happened with each others consent. However, due to the very relation Manav was stabbed and thrown into a river by Meher’s family. AT present, Meher and Manav both are Married to different people. They have different lives, but have child between them. Manav has every right to ask for that child’s custody as he is his father. How he deals with his wife has nothing to do with this. He behaves with his wife the way he likes and he wants. His wife doesn’t have any issue with his behaviour and she is well aware of his intentions. So how is this a problem?? What exactly is your issue?? Is it that he doesn’t have any interest in Meher? or is it the fact that as a good human being he is ready to accept his responsibility to take care of his son and give him a good upbringing and doesn’t wish to push his responsibilities on someone else?
Also, if there was no child, Manav would have not bothered to disturb Sarab or Meher. Because he has nothing to do with them. His child is very much alive and is with Meher and Sarab. So he is requesting for his child’s custody from them. He cannot leave Karan just because other people wants him to.
OK I agree he used aditi. But aditi is mature enough to know that manav does not love her, he just want her to get Karan.
He even tells her that if she will help him getting his child then he will make her life happy. So aditi already knows that it’s just that she is totally obsessed with him.
ON the other hand he never emotionally blackmailed mehar to elope with him.
At least we should accept where both sides are right and where they are wrong.
I have previously mentioned before if he use wrong means then our main lead was also not some noble or great ones
Even main lead use every means to get their way through him.
@radhika I will agree on @ginige’s point that if there was no child then he would not even look at them.
I know he behaved wrongly in Serbia but even you discuss it with doctor then he can explain you at that time his mental condition was not OK. He was in a condition in which he just woke up from a deep sleep of around 1 year and suddenly everything around him changed. So it was difficult for him to accept reality.
But when he saw mahar’s condition in hospital when sarab got shot, he became convinced that everything is changed. At that time he accepted the fact that she does not love her anymore. So he even tried to move on
Manav didnt know he had a child when he went to serbia.. he didnt know it during anniversary party.. still he was troubling mehrab na?? If you say his actions in serbia was because he was under stress and his mind wasnt working but I would say his mind was working perfectly fine because he knew how to find mehrab and make sarab leave to india so that only mehar stays back because she has to deal with the case..his planning was sharp which means that his mind was working quite well..i am not questioning his love for karan but i feel that karan is more of an obsession for manav..and when mehar moved on in life completely forgetting manav you guys said its because she never loved manav truly…so now because manav is behaving in less than civil way with mehar whats wrong if we question manavs love?? If you see the anniversary episode mehar looks at the diwan family and says ki “tumhare iss naya pariwar ko tootne nahi doongi mein” and what did manav do ?? Tried in various ways to trouble gill family and finally the last nail on the coffin by his wife now broke the family completely..all these really does make me question manavs love for mehar.. it wasnt something like he claimed atleast…atleast mehar didnt make any false claims, she accepted truly that what love she has for sarab is unconditional and pure…similarly even manav didnt have some unconditional limitless love for mehar..and truly speaking i am not blaming him for that also..its his choice..whom to love and how much to love.. but my point was that he claims lot of stuff which is not actually true..
Right he did not know about it in Serbia and party
But at that time he could not accept it, he was not mentally stable, if you noticed his memories of VD & MS were misked up.
He was in a condition like he was sleeping for a year and suddenly woke up and everything around him changed. But in hospital when he saw mehar grief for sarab he got convinced that nothing left here for him. It’s not her mehar. So he tried to move on.
@Radhika, the way you interpret things just to suit the main lead’s narrationš¤, and when some of the Manav fans try to explain his behaviour you always say that they change stance to suit Manav šš. Whether what Manav had for Meher was true or a pretence that does not matter now. Coz they are no more together and as you say Meher has found a better man. So why bother about Manavās feelings? YES, the relationship resulted in a child coming to this world and they both have equal rights for Karan. Manav requesting for that right is not a CRIME (Karan is not Sarabās child, Karan is Manavās child). In Serbia, Manav did certain things. Anyone who has experienced what he did would do the same. Coz nobody would just walk out without getting answers for the questions they have. He didnāt trouble Meher or Sarab. He spoke to Meher a few times, that’s it. Trouble would be if he forced himself or tortured a woman continuously day in day out. It didnāt take even 2 weeks for him to sort out his issues and during that period he did not meet her for more than 5 times. The stress that Meher was taking was because she felt guilty for what happened to the man. She knew that Manavās life got destroyed because of her and then due to Sarab she kept on telling Manav to accept Aditi. Which was none of her business.
āHis wife now broke the family completelyā How can you say something like this even? Aditi is Sarabās sister. She destroyed him for the betrayal Sarab and the entire family gave her by not telling her the Truth. What has he claimed that is not true?? He wants his son because he is related to him and he loves Seema which again is true. He never tried to cheat Meher, he came to ask her hand for marriage, it was Meherās mother who killed him. Aditi also very well knows his real intentions. So where has he said or claimed anything that is not true?
@Ginige are you telling that his claim that he hid the truth from aditi because HE WAS SCARED OF LOSING ADITI is true?? I thought he was merely tolerating her..”mere bache ke liye kya kya jhelna pad raha hain ” was his very own dialogue after a video call with aditi..so I said that his statements keep changing depending on his need..yeah now aditi is well aware of his intentions and that is why she is double crossing him..and also in hiding truth from aditi all are to be blamed not only sarab and mehar…and that is why evil aditi is punishing all of them..and the way we intrepret things differ ginige its not because of lead or not lead actors..its because i dont give special preference or rather i am not biased about ” blood relationships”..
Manav’s is obsessed with Karan. He only loves him because they share a blood relation. If Karan turns out not to be his son in the future, the love for him will vanish out of thin air. Manav seems like he values blood relations more than anything forgetting that all the parents he has had are not related to him in any way.
You can say that Today he is demanding his rights based on blood. Looks like you people have forgotten that Karan is is first and only blood relative.
The importance of blood relation, he understands more than any one. Because he missed these relations for in his whole life.
As far as concern relation by heart, then I am sorry he made it a lot but still he is alone. No one is here to stand with him.
Actually rosh manav should be the one understanding relations outside blood relation..considering the fact that he himself is calling seema as his mom without any blood relation and even considers and love his mom..
Right he loves his mother but that is just his love, Noone knows about what will be seema’s reaction when she will came to know the truth. Even if she accept him but will eventually die from the grief of his real sons death. He will still be alone.
So again relations he made by heart will leave him and he will still be alone
But on the other hand it was just Karan who hold his hand, stop him, and recognize the relation with him when he was unaware of his identity
@Rosh, Aditiās extreme LOVE for Vikram has now turned into HATRED with the truth. Due to her past experiences, she has some psychological issues, yet Aditi is a very sharp woman. She went to Gill mansion to test her siblings and then had a confrontation with her husband to know his feelings. During the negotiation today she knew what Sarab would choose and she in really didnāt give any option to her siblings, she still gave choice to hand over Karan. In between the whole thing Manav understood exactly what Aditi was up to. He didnāt create a scene as he knew if Sarab would give Karan Aditi might become a threat to him, So he kept quiet allowing the child to safely leave with Sarab & Meher. Aditi did get to hurt Vikram and settled her scores with her siblings. But I donāt think she will stop there. Now I guess it is up to Manav, he needs to outsmart Aditi to save all.
You know @ginige I don’t have any issue with aditi. But I know her psychological behavior will hurt manav.
And I seriously don’t know in last episode who was at advantage, who was testing whom
But seriously she needs treatment, with her smartness that she showed in last episode, manav is now at disadvantage in his case.
I really don’t like her with manav until she gets treatment
@ Rosh, have the same feeling but getting treatment š that’s not even a possibility at the moment. Earlier she use to listen to Vikram, but now with all the changes in their relationship, She would not listen to him.
@Radhika. you have given the answer to the question in your own context,
YES, it is true that he feared loosing Aditi because without Aditi’s support he can’t win the custody case. Karan is still very small and he needs his wife to support. If he looses Aditi how will he convince the court that he can give everything that Meher-Sarab can give Karan?
And later he said that no one cared for him, he was left to die all these things are true.
Their conversation didn’t end that night it continued next day morning. He made clear what he exactly wants from her. So he was not pretending.
Sanskriti: Manav may not make the best father, as you suggest. And Aditi may not make the best step-mother for that matter. However, this alone does not mean he should not be given the chance to be a father and look after his child. If he turns out to be incapable, no doubt he will forego the chance of looking after the kid. Sarab does not have the right to actually prevent him from getting a chance.
It would have been better if Manav would have asked to be a part of his son’s life. He never mentioned that to Sarab and all he said was that he wants his son. Sarab told him that, Karan needs and has to be with his mother as he is still small but he can however come and visit and spend time with him anytime. He refused that offer due to his selfishness as he only wants full custody. Even if he goes to court he will still be given visitation rights as Karan is still young just like what Sarab already gave to him. If Sarab was selfish, he would never have invited Manav to come to the temple to see his son or even let him carry him. He decided to make Manav part of his son’s life but at least inviting him to some of his son’s special events and occasions but he still went on with the idea of snatching him from his mom. Even after Sarab’s kind gesture, he didn’t even think twice or even stop his evil idea and decided to proceed and use Harleen to get back his son.
Looks like you people only remember saran and mehar dialogue, you people forgot manav’s.
Don’t you remember the episode when he took Karan to hotel he requested mehar to him take care of Karan. If he was unable to to fulfill his duties then he will give return him to mehar with his own hand. Which shows he never denied the fact that mehar is karan’s mother
But on the other side our main lead never gave him any fatherly rights. They always want him to be karan’s uncle.
Even if you say sarab can be better father but you can’t deny the fact that manav is his father, and mehar alone cannot give his rights to sarab without manav’s consent
Seriously rosh..manav thinks karan is some sort of costume or what?? “Mujhe bohot pasandh hai yeh..Try kartha hoon fit nahi aaya tho return kardoonga” who even keeps such an attitude towards a kid..and you are supporting it as if its some great proposal..a 5 month old child needs his mother..its no age to play and check if he will make any mistake..one mistake could even cost karans life..the hotel incident itself had vikram been 1 min late in opening the door ..karan would have fallen from the bed..he didnt have the sense to keep a pillow at the babys side before leaving the child alone in the room ..mehar and sarab used to keep pillows even near param so that he doesnt fall..YES I KNOW IT TAKES TIME TO LEARN ALL THESE..but couldnt manav learn it taking some time and the child staying with mehar and he only visiting..it wasnt that karan was gonna call someone papa tomorrow that manav did so much hurry in getting karan..and mehar can give the rights to sarab especially when he has earned those rights and mehar has that power because she was an unmarried woman who got pregnant and it was completely her decision to give birth to her child and later sarabs support
I guess you don’t want to understand him. After reading your explanation I somehow feel that you can even find a flaw even if he just breath.
In his statement he just demand his right his chance to upbring his child, and why should he not have it.
Oh you are taking about risk Karan’s life by taking him so I am sorry if he did not come back as a vikram dewan, Karan should be dead now in the fire, please watch that episode again how both mehar and sarab were sitting outside helping and crying he saved his child. Moreover for the point “he could fall from bed”, so he didn’t, manav arrived at right time. So don’t blame him for the things that didn’t happened.
If you are going to blame then blame mehar and sarab as well. You people have forgot how Karan was flying in the air and about to fall by mistake due to param under their supervision.
How can Karan be save with them in the house which is full of people, having security but still kids got kidnapped. Adults don’t know, they go outside still adults are unaware, favoritism shown between kids.
Like seriously
I have never bring these points before but because of you I need to remind you that you can’t blame someone for the things that have not happened. If I am accepting manav’s feelings then I never said wrong about sarab’s feeling. If I am pointing mainlead’s fault then I am also accepting his fault whenever he was wrong. But that does not mean that he is wrong by demanding his rights.
Moreover, I know sarab support mehar so what it’s not like when he got to know about his child he rejected it. Only for that support you want him to giveup his child. So tell me can you give your child to some like sarab if you find him in real life. Can you life without him. I will be frank I can give me life for the person who saved my child but if you ask me to give up my child I can’t.
@Rosh…read the comments carefully and understand it before bashing..i never said it was wrong of manav to claim right on his biological child..i never said that he should completely give away his child…when i have never said such stuff how can you lash out saying that I did.. what i said was MANAV COULD HAVE WAITED FOR KARAN TO GROW UP TO DEMAND COMPLETE CUSTODY, TILL THEN HE COULD BE A VISITING PARENT..IF MEHAR AND SARAB DIDNT AGREE TO THIS HE COULD GO TO THE COURT DEMANDING THE SAME..ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG IN IT..BUT THE POINT IS HE DIDNT DO ANY OF THIS..HE DID WHATEVER CAME TO HIS MIND AND WAS FILLED BY OTHERS..JOINING HANDS WITH MURDERERS AND CRIMINALS..and also SINCE YOU WENT TO GREAT PAINS TO BE PERSONAL LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING PERSONAL.. I dont exactly know if you are male or female ( sorry..rosh could be a nickname of girl or boy so dont want to assume) But if you are a female are you gonna give up your child( whom you carried within you for 8 months and then gave birth) forever without putting up a fight and trying to keep the child with yourself??? I can guarantee you..I wouldnt.. even if the opposite person is the childs own father i wouldn’t give away my child forever…AND if you are a male then probably thats why you are saying manav is right in claiming complete custody. ..and of you are blaming everyone mistake in the gill mansion on mehar sarab then even manav has to be blamed for aditis actions?? What i gave was an example of manavs naivety in taking care of child and you started blaming everyones mistakes on mehar and sarab..and in my comment also i didnt say its his fault that he doesnt know..i clearly said that he should have taken some time to LEARN THE BASIC STUFF( like he could have burnt poor karans mouth had mehar not arrived on time..and i know you will tell but it didnt happen so why blame)..AND THEN DEMAND FOR CUSTODY..THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT.. And FYI i dont have any problem with manav breathing..AND THE FIRE INCIDENT YOU PLEASE WATCH THE EPISODE AGAIN..SARAB AND MANAV BOTH TOGETHER GET KARAN OUT..YES MANAV REACHED KARAN FIRST AND THAT WAS BECAUSE MANAV WAS BUSY STEALING FROM SARABS LOCKER..INITIALLY ALL HAD THOUGHT THAT KARAN IS IN THE TROLLY..
YOU REWATCH THE FULL EPISODE AND SEE THAT SARAB WAS NOT SITTING OUT AND CRYING..THE MOMENT HE GOT TO KNOW THAT KARAN IS STILL INSIDE HE WENT INSIDE..
BUT AS I SAID VIKRAM DEEWAN WAS BUSY STEALING STUFF INSIDE SO HE WAS NEARER TO KARAN AND REACHED FASTER..dont blame with half knowledge..if you have seen only tits and bits because sarab kept saying that vikram saved karans life and based on that you are commenting then watch full episode on voot and then say..
OK as for sarab crying while Karan was in the middle of fire I didn’t say he was enjoying it, their is some misstype where I have written helping crying it should be helplessly crying.
And yes that’s what I am saying if Karan is still alive that is not only because of sarab. Not only sarab manav also have protected his child. So stop just saying only sarab is good father and can protect him.
After watching that episode I thought writer wants to show Karan will be protected and grow up with both of his father but after watching these previous episodes I don’t know what he want to do.
@radhika looks like my comment his you so hard.
You have write a very long comment. Sorry I didn’t read it completely, it was just too long.
OK for your half comment,let’s start.
As for the waiting for the child to grow up, it’s his solo decision whether he wants it or not. Do you really think that when child will grow and called sarab his father then he can accept manav as his father. If he demand his child then he will put his child in a difficult spot. And it will hurt him. So I guess then it is better to leave him if he is happy. If he wants to claim his rights then it’s the right time. And I am not favouring solo rights, I am favouring joint custody.
As for joining hands with KK, then even as a normal civilian he has the right whether he want to punish her or forgive her. So it’s totally his call. There is no room for others discussion.
And I did not blame gill family I just want to show you that you have pointed his mistake but forget things that happened in gill mansion. If something is going to happen then it can happen in gill mansion as well.
I have already mentioned I don’t have any issue with mainleads but if I find their behavior wrong I will point it. If I find their behavior praisable I will also do it, as I said earlier that today’s his point about aditi upbringing Karan is valid. And same with manav even though I am his fan but wherever I find his behavior wrong I have also object him.
But this has nothing to do about his demand of father
@ Rosh ..i had to write a long comment so as to explain what i meant because you didnt understand what i said..and now also reading half the comment you havent understood…WHEN I SAY WAIT FOR SOME TIME WHY DO YOU HAVE TO THINK I MEANT AFTER YEARS…IT COULD BE MONTHS ALSO OR are there only days and then years in calender these days…let me make my self clear…MANAV COULD HAVE WAITED FOR FEW MONTHS AND UNTIL THEN ALSO HE COULD VISIT KARAN AS HIS FATHER and if mehrab didnt agreevto that proposal then he can go to court and court will give him that permission…THIS IS WHAT I MEANT…AND I HAVE clearly stated it previously also..my objection mainly is because manav demands for karans complete custody and gives dhamki and then tell i will take karan and go away..why cant karan stay with mehar, manav visit him as his dad and about calling papa..karan will call sarab as sarab papa and manav as manavpapa..done…param calls his birthmom as starmummy and mehar as meharmumma…whats the big deal in doing this?? Manav could have easily got this done had he asked for it or even gone to the court…NOW ROSH IF YOU ARE REPLYING..REPLY ONLY AFTER READING THE WHOLE COMMENT..COZ I THINK YOU AGREE WITH THIS
@Rosh. How can she do that when she knew he was planning to run away with Karan. Someone who had such evil plans, how can Meher trust him to leave him with her son. Manav proved that he can go to an extent of joining hands with Kulwant and Kidnapping Karan. As you remember, when he took Karan he had no intention of taking him back to his mother or even informing his mother of his whereabouts. He clearly stated that they were staying there temporarily but he will be going with him and start a life together somewhere else. How can Meher still trust him and leave him with her son until he is unable to take care of him? Once someone has broken your trust, it is very hard to trust them or it takes time before trusting them again so you can’t blame Meher.
OK i agree he should not take him out without telling mehar. But an you explain mehar’s behavior to snatch his child, keep him away from his father in a house where he can’t even touch his child.
Oh I also forgot how she kept lie that he is sarab’s child.
So whatever you do in your life will comes around.
If she was honest and manav has done the same act then I should not have support him. But as I tell earlier both parties are doing whatever they can to keep them away from their rights
So koi bhi doodh ka dhula nahi hai
He requested to take care of Karan AFTER he had already Kidnapped him. If he had initially asked then it would have been understandable but kidnapping him then asking for permission after the mother has found him is not logical. Imagine someone stealing from you and had no intention of returning the good to you. Then you discover the person who has stolen it and he/she borrows the item from you after trying to steal and failed. Can you give the person what he wants?
Under the Hindu Succession Act, Child(ten) of Legitimate and Illegitimate marriage are equally entitled to the property of their father. Writer of this episode probably overlooked this settled legal position.
You are right @sukhi sharma
..Which is why harleens point of they (harleen and sarab) going to court is valid one..they would definitely get their share..but sarab only said that if his younger sister wants everything then let her take everything…harleen clearly said that they will not leave leave the house when mehar said they wont give karan..
I agree with you that Sarab made a very emotional decision that wasnāt very well thought out. At least he could have asked for some legal advice …
Thank you I also thought this was the case.